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#1 ·
I've seen some threads discussing 4k on FIOS on 4K TiVo's like the Bolt+ (what I have). When I go to channel 1498/1499 I see the holding message that shows but it seems to be broadcasting in HDthe info about the "show" says it's HDand when I find an upcoming program it says it's HD as well.

So I guess my question is for those that have gotten 4k content on a TiVo via FIOShave you actually verified that the signal is 4k (if sohow?) or are you just assuming that because you're getting video content on the 4k channel that it's 4k?

I really want to get the Super Bowl in 4k since Verizon has confirmed they're going to have it but I don't want to have to pick up their box to do so.
 
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#2 ·
Jamie A said:
So I guess my question is for those that have gotten 4k content on a TiVo via FIOShave you actually verified that the signal is 4k (if sohow?) or are you just assuming that because you're getting video content on the 4k channel that it's 4k?
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I've recorded FIOS 4K content using both my Tivo and an HDHomerun Prime and then transferred that content to my computer for analysis. It is indeed 4K and in some cases HDRdepending on whether it was recorded in 4K/HDR or just 4K.

Verizon only broadcasts in 4K on channels 1498/1499 when there is active 4K content being transmitted and does a very poor job of advertising this content. I found DLSReports to be the best source for determining when something will be broadcast in 4K.
 
#35 ·
So with the HD Homerun Primedoes it record the same channels that the TiVo Bolt can? ie. the 4K HLG HDR broadcasts.

I recently got a Flex 4K for access to the ATSC 3.0 channels. So now I'm considering dumping my TiVo Bolts if I can record the same content from FiOS with the HD Homerun PRime. I really don't watch that much cable or OTA content any more. So my TiVos are overkill for me now. Plus I can use Ples or the HD home run app to watch the recorded contentfrom the HD Homeruns. On my 20 or so streamers I have.
 
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#4 ·
My LG c9 will specifically say HDR and the resolution shows as 4k when watching a 4k broadcast. Make sure you have a good HDMI cable and go thru the setup to ensure 4k resolution is set up on the TiVo.

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From what I've read Fox's football broadcasts are recorded in 1080p and then upscaled to 4K and downscaled to 720p by Foxnot Verizon. Verizonlike the other 4K content providersis just distributing the 4K broadcast signal that they receive. I wish Fox would record football natively in 4Kas they do for other sportsbut the Fox 1080p recording upscaled to 4K still beats their 1080p recording downscaled to 720p and then upscaled to 4K for display on a 4K TV.
 
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FYII did a side by side comparison of a regular season football game in 4K on the Fox sports app via Roku on one TV and the FiOS Fox broadcast on a second TV. I was disappointed to find out the 4K stream was more than 90 seconds behind the FiOS broadcast. That wouldn't work so well with social media.
 
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zyzzx said:
FYII did a side by side comparison of a regular season football game in 4K on the Fox sports app via Roku on one TV and the FiOS Fox broadcast on a second TV. I was disappointed to find out the 4K stream was more than 90 seconds behind the FiOS broadcast. That wouldn't work so well with social media.
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Yeahthat's a pitfall of live streaming. Have to stay off Twitter when you're live streaming a game!

Did you notice any difference in picture quality between the 4K stream in the Fox Sports app versus the 4K broadcast from FiOS?
 
#10 ·
When they are not sending an active 4K signalthe channel (with the card saying nothing is showing) reverts to 1080i. I don't think fios can generate graphics in 4K. They appear to pass on whatever they get from the source when a game is on.
 
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The Fox Sports app is supposedly going to be 4k and HDR. Even standard def in HDR is incredible due to what hdr can do for colors and blacks. I expect to be wowed but am prepared to be underwhelmed . At which point I will go back to my Roamio for the trick play which streaming can't match. But if Fox comes through on the pictureI will hang.
 
#19 ·
It's been on here in the DC area since 1PM. The Kickoff showbetween 1PM and 2PMshowed a bitrate of 21.88 Mbps in kmttg. I transferred it to my PC a short time ago from the TiVo Bolt I use with FiOS. So far the 2160P with HLG HDR has not had any issues since the broadcast started here at 1PM EST.

Like the other FiOS UHD broadcasts I've seenit's about on par with how UHD looks from NetflixAmazon etc. So it looks pretty good. And certainly looks muchmuch better than all the FiOS bitstarved HD channels. With it's waxy faces and low detail.

Of course the broadcast is still upscaled 1080P video. So I hope next year that CBS will have a true UHD broadcast. Or maybe in 2022 with NBC?
 
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#20 ·
I'm not sure this is upscaled.. there is more detail in tonite's broadcast than the normal Thursday night games.

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#22 ·
If I have a Roamio as my DVR and then a Mini Vox on a different TV (5 series TCL)should the Mini be able to watch the recorded 4K channel 1498 from Fios? I tried it but it didn't appear to work.
 
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Was there ever a response to this? I am running the same setup an I am getting not authorized v58 error messages on channels 1491 & 1492 on both the Roamio and Mini Vox. I can hear sounds on the Roamio from those channels and the other 4K channels do not have these errors showing.
 
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I am SO pissed. Here is my story about trying to watch channel 1498 for the Superbowl: I have a Tivo Edge going to an Integra DRX 4.3 AVR going to a new Samsung QLED 8K TV. Everything absolutely has the latest firmware updates. I had the Tivo Edge set to 4K60 with HDR enabled. When I went to watch the Superbowl on #1498 the handshake would not hold. The signal would drop and the Samsung would show that there was no signal coming from the attached devices. I had to go back in to the Tivo settings and disable 4K60 which meant that I had to watch the show at 1080p rather than 4K. I am pissed because I constantly have trouble with Tivo and 4K60. All my other devices such as Roku work perfectly fine at 4Kthe Tivo is a pain in the ass when it comes to 4k and HDR. Obviously at 1080p it still looked goodbut if I cannot get Tivo to work well through the Integra thenWTF.
 
#25 ·
Have you tried another certified cable? Most problems like that end up being a cable issue. Where a cable can't handle the bandwidth.

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#27 ·
Working on that now. I am checking a slightly different issue at the moment(I actually have an hdmi over hdbaseT made by Atlona between the Integra and the TV.) The Atlona component is supposed to handle all aspects of 4K with HDR. I bought a premium high speed hdmi cable and will see what happens if I eliminate the Atlona component from the setup. I had to buy a long hdmi cable. If this eliminates the problem then I will have to have the hdmi cable professionally installed in the walls because my sources are in a different room from my tv
 
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#32 ·
Yepthough it technically should handle the 4K input the Atlona hdmi over hdbaseT is the culprit. Already have the installers coming to install one of these new fiber optic hdmi cables through my wall.

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#28 · (Edited)
I recorded the game on my Tivo on both my local Fox HD channelas well ason channel 1498.
These are the recording results that I was able to determine using kmttg.
Sorry about the formattingI couldn't figure out how to insert a table.

Channel . Format .... Length . File Size . Bitrate
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505 ..... 720p ...... 04:30 .. 19.92 GB .. 10.57 Mbps
1498 .... 2160p HLG . 04:30 .. 41.31 GB .. 21.88 Mbps

eta: spelling.
 
#31 ·
Yes. That is what I saw as well.

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jaselzer said:
Yepthough it technically should handle the 4K input the Atlona hdmi over hdbaseT is the culprit. Already have the installers coming to install one of these new fiber optic hdmi cables through my wall.
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Glad you found the problembut this is only impacting the Edge as you said your other devices (Roku) had no issue?

jaselzer said:
All my other devices such as Roku work perfectly fine at 4Kthe Tivo is a pain in the ass when it comes to 4k and HDR.
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#34 ·
The Roku and Shield TV are also effected. No device can reliably transmit at 4k60. Everything gets shoved down to 4K30 automatically or I have to do it manually. The more irritating problem with the Edge is that when you set it to automatically recognized the resolutionit will recognize 4K60 sometimes and then try to output at that resolution which causes the tv to go blackwhich then requires a reset of the tivo resolution through a system of button pushes on the remote. The Roku and Shield simply will output at 4K30 most of the time.
 
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aaronwt said:
So with the HD Homerun Primedoes it record the same channels that the TiVo Bolt can? ie. the 4K HLG HDR broadcasts.

I recently got a Flex 4K for access to the ATSC 3.0 channels. So now I'm considering dumping my TiVo Bolts if I can record the same content from FiOS with the HD Homerun PRime. I really don't watch that much cable or OTA content any more. So my TiVos are overkill for me now. Plus I can use Ples or the HD home run app to watch the recorded contentfrom the HD Homeruns. On my 20 or so streamers I have.
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I've moved out of the Verizon FIOS service area last year butat least when I was using both a TIVO and HDHR Primethe recordings for both devices were the same cablecard stream from the same channel. The HDHR Prime just records the stream as it comes in. It doesn't change it in any way. The only difference between my Tivo and HDHR Prime recordings was that the HDHR Prime couldn't play back copy protected content. At least back thenthe FIOS 4K streams were not copy protected.
 
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#37 ·
Any idea why Tivo doesn't show whats on the ESPN4K (1496) channel on FiOS? This is for Central VA.
This week they (TiVo and FiOS) added the 2 NBC Channels (14911492) for the Olympics and they both have guide data.
 
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#45 ·
Hi All,

Was wondering if anyone has tried to watch the Olympic coverage on channel 1491. I have a Tivo Bolt hooked up via MoCA and 2 Mini Vox units hooked up via MoCA

When I try to watch the channel on the main TiVo unitthe picture and the sound (to a lesser degree) are very jittery

When I try to watch the channel on the minithe picture is perfectly clear but there's no sound (it comes in for a second at a time maybe a few times a minute).

I'm not ruling out the cables because i don't think they are proper 4k cables however I've watched events on 1498-9 and on ESPN 4K with no issues.

Was wondering if anyone else has had this issue.

Thanks!
 
#46 ·
I have been watching channel 1491 with Verizon and I am having no issues whatsoever…. you may be on to something thinking it may be the HDMI cable. I am using certified 48 GPS HDMI 2.2 cables and everything is perfect. I would try switching out your HDMI cable and hopefully that will solve the problem…. Good luck!
 
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