2025 Hypothetical Astros Trades Thread

But Caratini is stuck on the bench.

You are not considering the player(s) who are acquired in the trade.

Is THIS team better off spending $6M for a player who adds 1 WAR of value while sitting on the bench 2/3 of the timeor by having equivalent value of player(s) at 2b and/or cf who fills a hole and can play twice as muchor even more?

 

What trade did Luhnow send a quality MLB player out for a similar value player at another position?

Most of his trades were MLB players for minor leaguers early on and then minor leaguers/young MLB players with control for better players. The Astros had a lot non-stars because Luhnow drafted a bunch of talent and those guys (not counting the stars) filled those roles or were traded for them. Luhnow did not fill the bench by swapping out MLB veterans at one position for another.

The closest I can think of is the 2nd Maldy tradebut Kemp still had 3-5 years left of service time. Maybe the pu pu platter for domestic violence. White for Scrubb.

 

I was thinking of Sandoval for Maldy off of the top of my head. The Fiers/ Gomez trade even if that didn't workout.

 

1 WAR in 600 PAs and 1 WAR in 300 PAs is still 1 WAR. Even assuming Caratini would fetch a player as if he were a 450 PA catcher only yields 1.5 WAR.

The Astros already have better value in CF using your choice of WAR. So I definitely would not trade Caratini for an equivalent value CF to warm the beach for Chas who is warming the bench for Meyers.

For 2BI think the Astros will get 0.5 WAR from 2B even if they have to move Altuve back such that getting a 1.5 WAR 2B probably doesn't help (-1 WAR from C + 0.5 from 2B = 1.5 WAR from 2B). Chas and Dezenzo can be utilized in LF and are probably the value of player that Caratini can get. PersonallyI think Dubon would fetch 1 WAR from 2B even though he's been slumping (bWAR doesn't like him) and think he'd be the type of player one could get for Caratini. On the 2BI would consider itbut it is likely just swapping wins from one position to another. Maybe you can get a 50% chance at an extra win if a good trade is found. I don't think

GrantedI don't believe Cesar is more than replacement leveland I think Caratini has situational value as a PH and can fill in for injuries as Diaz can slide to bat-first positions.

Caveat: This is usually bWAR and making decisions as if bWAR pace was absolutely correct except for Dubon who I called out. OVerall thoughI don't think Caratini can get a better CF than what the Astros have. 2Bmaybebut likely not a big deal one way or the other as I expect equivalent value in a trade and the Astros to have positive WAR from 2B even if it is a small number.

 

Sandoval was still a minor leaguer. HaderHouserPhillips and Santana were all young players with a ton of control.

Trading a MLB player with a year left for a MLB player of similar value at a different position with a year left is just something most teams don't do very often. If the Astros trade Caratiniit will likely be that the Astros are punting this year to get something for the future.

 

We are just going round and round.

FirstCaratini may get 1 WAR playing 1 out of every 3 gamesbut that's not a 1 WAR player - because he's getting 1 WAR only playing 1/3 of the time.

Secondlymy point is that catcher is filled by a reasonably good player which is why Caratini is only playing 1/3 of the time.

You can not tell me this team does not have holes.

This team would be better if Caratini was exactly as he isbut was a 2b instead of a catcher.

 

Or you could do everything but the Framber trade and then you wouldn’t have all the ? At SP

 

But a pretty young rosterother than Walker and Altuvecorrect?

 

If we're out of contentionand assuming the A's keep overachievingthey would be a perfect trade partner for Framber. That franchise gets maybe one playoff shot every decade and they will likely go all inthey have a ton of young talent to tradeand they have zero shot of re-signing him so trading him within the division won't matter.

 

If Hunter can finish top 3 in Cy Youngthat extra draft pick could be huge.

 

Wellif this is any indication of what Dana Brown was being offered for Framber during the offseasonI can see why Framber is still in an Astros' uniform.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ml...&cvid=e655322ecd144f5ea3c3a01cf4437da2&ei=322

Yankees Get:
SP Framber Valdez

Astros Get:
SP Clayton Beeter (NYY #20 Prospect; 26 y/o)
OF Everson Periera (NYY #12 Prospect; 24 y/o)

 

It would be much more than that.
The Yankees #1 prospect is #96 overall in baseball. It would be two of their top five prospects for sure and then one more top ten guy. I don't think the Yankees are a good fit at all. Framber is worth a top 50 prospect in all of baseball as a starting point.

 

Absolutely!

It's gonna take more than the #12 and #20 prospect to get Framber.

Of coursehe's only worth what someone is willing to pay for in prospects.

 

I mean if we take the return the Jays got for kikuchi from uswith blossloperfido and Wagner. Those three are already a better return than the Yankees fan proposal and Framber is two levels above Kikuchi.

Orioles need pitching bad.

 

I still think the Mets are a good trade partner for a starting pitcher.

They are absolutely in a position to contendbut probably want to maximize those chances since they are competing in the insanely stacked Nationally League.

Their rotation has been very goodbut they must be concerned about it as the season gets later. Every one of their starters have some kind of workload concern and/or injury risk/history.

Luisangel Acuna looks like he could fill the Astros hole at 2b.

The Mets can afford to give him up because Jeff McNeil is there this year and Jett Williams ( and Francisco Lindor) look to have him blocked long term.

Arrighetti for Acuna?

Edit: I meant it to be "Arrighetti + a good SP prospect" for Acuna.

Brandon Sproat? Blaze Tidwell?

Spencer alone is ludicrous- my bad.