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White House defends strikes on boat survivors. It's unclear where the buck stops In the face of charges that these strikes amount to execution without trialthe White House is sending a confusing message about who exactly gave each order to use deadly force.

White House defends strikes on boat survivorsbut it's unclear where the buck stops

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth speaks during a Cabinet meeting in the Cabinet Room at the White House on Dec. 2.

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth speaks during a Cabinet meeting in the Cabinet Room at the White House on Tuesday. Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images hide caption

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The Trump administration is standing by its controversial campaign of targeting and killing the crews of small boats that are allegedly smuggling drugs from South America to the U.S. But in the face of charges that these strikes amount to execution without trialthe White House is sending a confusing message about who exactly gave each order to use deadly force.

The details matteras some in Congress suggest the orders are illegal and could leave service members facing eventual prosecution.

In response to reports that the first of these strikes included a second round that killed two survivors on a burning boatDefense Secretary Pete Hegseth said Tuesday that he authorized and watched the initial attacks but did not watch the second round.

"I watched that first strike live," Hegseth said at a Cabinet meeting at the White House. "As you can imaginethe Department of Warwe got a lot of things to do. So I moved on to my next meeting."

Hegseth said he did not see survivors of that Sept. 2 attack on the video and that the following strikes to sink the boatwhich killed the survivorswere ordered by Adm. Frank M. Bradley.

"A couple of hours laterI learned that that commander had made the [decision]which he had the complete authority to do," Hegseth said. "And by the wayAdm. Bradley made the correct decision to ultimately sink the boat and eliminate the threat."

Hegseth's parsing of responsibility for that order has drawn fireincluding from Rep. Adam Smithranking Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee.

"Yeah. It was a CYA moment for Hegseth," Smith saidspeaking on NPR's Morning Edition. "He's the secretary of defense. You knowhe's putting them in a terrible spot by giving them these highly questionable orders. And then after thatto come out and sayheyit was that guynot me. That's not leadershipand it's also not honest. It seems to me Secretary Hegseth is the one who's responsible for what happened here."

Ever since the first strike by the U.S. military on a small boat in the Caribbean three months agoa debate has stirred within the militarybecause deadly force used on civilian crew and passengers appeared illegal. The Trump Justice Department provided Congress with a memo stating that the U.S. is in a non-international armed conflict with drug cartelsand the strikes are within the laws of war. But Smith said even that memo was ambiguous.

"This memo that's out there explaining the legal justification for this is fascinatingbecause half of it saysthis is why this is an armed conflictwhy these narcoterrorist groups are such a threat. They're doing all these awful things. And the other half saysnoit's not a warso therefore we don't have to get permission from Congress," said Smith. "They say it's legaland yet they went to great pains to make sure that Hegseth wasn't the one who gave the order. So obviouslythey're a little nervous about that point."

Now the questions are getting sharperafter The Washington Post reported that the Sept. 2 incident included two sets of strikes on a boatand that survivors of the initial attack were visible when they were struck again and killed. Hegseth initially denied the story and called it fake newsbut on Tuesday he confirmed the basic facts.

If the United States is at warthen killing enemies who are surrendering or helpless would constitute a war crime according to military expertsincluding a group of former JAG officers who have been critical of the Trump administration. Questions along those lines are expected when Adm. Bradley appears before Congress on Thursday.

But talk of war crimes accepts the notion that the U.S. can even be at war with the entire criminal world of narcotrafficking in any legal sensesaid Sarah YagerWashington director of Human Rights Watch. "It's not a question of a war crime because there's no warthere's no armed conflictso it can't be a war crime. It is literally murder," she said.

"It sets a dangerous template for a United States that believes it can strike anywhere on the planet without ruleslimitsor consequences." 

She also noted that when a country acts as if it's at war when it's not"that collapses the rules that keep civilians safe and gives governments license to kill without the safeguards international law requires."

President Trump and Hegseth both sought to justify the strikes again on Tuesday. Hegseth said evidence was solid that each of the strikes was on what he called a "narcoterrorist" but declined to show proof. Trump claimed his efforts had saved hundreds of thousands of lives — more than double the estimated yearly death toll for all drug overdoses in the U.S.most of which are actually caused by fentanylwhich does not come into the country by boat.

MeanwhileRepublican Sen. Rand Paul posted a letter he received after an information request showing that 21% of Coast Guard interdictions turn up no drugssuggesting that at least 1 in 5 of the deadly strikes could be in error.

At the Cabinet meeting on TuesdayTrump suggestedwithout showing evidencethat drug trafficking has dropped since the boat strikes beganbut he also claimed to know nothing about the details.

"As far as the attack is concernedI didyou knowI still haven't gotten a lot of informationbecause I rely on Petebut to meit was an attack. It wasn't one striketwo strikesthree strikes," Trump said. "Somebody asked me a question about the second strike. I didn't know about the second strike. I didn't know anything about peopleI wasn't involved in it."

But speaking at the Pentagon earlier on Tuesdaypress secretary Kingsley Wilson said"At the end of the daythe secretary and the president are the ones directing these strikes."