Toyotas that do not have CVT transmission...

jolly · Aug 122019

Pcmaker said:
What year is the last Corolla that has a regular automatic transmission and a timing chain?

2016 base model (L) was the last available with 4AT. Higher versions have the CVT since 2014 MY. No time belt in Corolla for the last 20 years or soI think.

Hamltnblue · Aug 122019

Pcmaker said:
I'm looking to purchase a Toyota in the futurebut I want an automatic transmission that's not a CVT.

Alsosomething that has a timing chainnot timing belt.

What year is the last Corolla that has a regular automatic transmission and a timing chain?

The Camry has a geared automatic.
I believe it also has a metal timing chain

ukrkoz · Aug 122019

Camry Hybrid. Chain engine. It DOES NOT have CVT. Very smooth and torqy acceleration.

Let me elaborate. It is officially named CVT but it is not. It's epicyclical gear set. Has nothing in common with any CVT used otherwise. No droning. No shift points. VERY well working.

pujuma · Oct 162019

ukrkoz said:
Camry Hybrid. Chain engine. It DOES NOT have CVT

an "e-CVT" ? that has no pulleys & belt

ukrkoz said:
It's epicyclical gear set.

aka planetary gear set ?

Vangm25 · Aug 122019

You could also just go to the Toyota website and build a vehicle if you want to determine it does not have a CVT. A majority of Toyota's have been running timing chains since at least 2002.

Pcmaker · Aug 132019

This really sucks. There goes Toyota reliability.

toyweb · Aug 142019

No it doesn’t.
You’re assuming.

What facts show the Corolla CVT is not reliable?
Are Corolla owners reporting CVT failures in higher numbers than other vehicles without CVTs?

75aces · Aug 132019

You can always get a manual trans also.

got-rice · Aug 142019

Get a Toyota SUV

killer23d · Aug 142019

Statisticallythe more bells and whistle in any equipmentthe higher chances there could be issues. The Direct-Shift CVT and the Dynamic Force engine are some of the things that could go wrong because of the complex engineering and innovation. If you are concerned about reliabilityyou can always inquire about extended warranty from your insurance company and find out how much it costs.

IMOI have higher confidence in Toyota quality than any Germany manufacturers.

Vangm25 · Aug 142019

Less is moreI like that. On the other handmore is more nowadays and it will stay like that whether you want it to or not. This is what the current trends are. Otherwise you WILL have to get a base model and you WILL have to find everything to make it as basic as you can get it. I built an Toyota Tacoma SR or SR5 and it seems that I could still decline a keyfobEntuneand all that other fun stuff. But if I wanted a TRDI will have to get it with all the technology with it. That is the sacrifice you must be willing to take. If I could get a brand new Avalon with none of the technologyI'd be willing to but that will never happen. So if I get a new Avalonit will come with what it has but if I want "less is more" I will still have my 08 Camry because it is a base model with "only the basics". Either get with the new or get left behind. Getting left behind is not bad but eventually those parts will disappear.

Forgot to mentioneveryone seems to hate the Automatics and everyone seems to hate the CVTs and you really won't hear much from the Manual's. So not getting a CVT may be a bad idea. People seem to not like the 8 speedspeople seem to not like the 6 speedspeople seem to not like the 5 speedspeople seem to like the 4 & 3 speeds but hey look! It's the 1990s again.

jiantao · Aug 142019

All 2013 and older Corollas with the 1.8L had a 4 speed automatic. 2014-2016 Corolla L had a carryover drivetrain (1.8L/4SA). All other 2014+ Corolla trims had the CVT. Corolla has had a timing chain since 1998.

If you want to go Camry2010-2017 Camrys with the 2.5L had a 6 speed automatic that seems to be decently liked. 2018+ Camrys have an 8 speed automatic that has complaints about refinement but does seem reliable.

If you're looking for bulletproof and cheap to ownI would suggest a 2013 or older Corollaor 2014-2016 Corolla L.

SuperchargedMR2 · Aug 152019

I would take it one more step and get a Corolla with a manual transmission. That was you get the most reliable option and the most fun.

igzy · Aug 152019

The premise of this thread is that old tech is more reliable than new. Speaking of that: I wonder what (smart)phone you have in your pocket or a laptop at home? I bet (you name the $$$) it is not a Motorola MicroTAC or something with an 80386 processor

SuperchargedMR2 · Aug 152019

I disagree. Just because a newer technology comes out doesn't mean it's bettermore reliable and will stand the test of time. Electronics are very different from mechanic transmissions in a car. I think that CVT's are okay and do what they were built to do but are also the numbest form of transmission. I want to be engaged with my car and the driving experience so a MT is my favorite choice.

jiantao · Aug 152019

Computers and phones are a bit different. It's essentially required to have a modern computer to complete tasks at a quick speed and run modern software if you have a job that requires it. That would be like driving a car from the 1930s - franklynot fast enough for today's highways.

Buying new tech has its uncertainties. When I bought my Samsung Galaxy S6 Active about 2 years agoI think they had just come out with the S8. I found that the S4 and S6 were largely trouble freewith a good number of complaints about the S5. So I avoided the S5. Buying an S8 would mean I had no idea whether it was a trouble free phone or not.

Simplicity is the key to reliability. I have a Chromebook as my personal computer - can't get a virus if your computer doesn't let you run any software.

igzy · Aug 152019

jiantao said:
Simplicity is the key to reliability.

And that's exactly why CVT

creedbratton · Aug 152019

Pcmaker said:
I'm looking to purchase a Toyota in the futurebut I want an automatic transmission that's not a CVT.

Alsosomething that has a timing chainnot timing belt.

What year is the last Corolla that has a regular automatic transmission and a timing chain?

The 86 is stupidly offered with an automatic.

xpeed · Oct 222019

It's not as stupid compared to a travesty WRX w/ CVT transmission that Subaru started offering since 2013.
I'm so appalled on how much used car dealerships are reselling CVT WRX compared to manual ones.

Come to think I almost got one with a CVT because my wife can't drive stick but I wanted a WRX. I'm glad I took better judgement and went with the Camry.

OPwhen it comes down to CVTI would be more comfortable getting a Toyota with CVT instead of NissanSubaruor any other MFG only because I have not heard much complaints about Toyota's CVT transmissions. Nissan and Subarus though get a lot of complaints from what I see.

From what I knowonly a handful of models have CVT transmissions:

C-HRCorolla Corolla Hatchback. Hybrids have different type of CVT transmission that is different from non-hybrids.

Vangm25 · Aug 162019

Here is one thing that a lot of people forget:

Time will tell.

killer23d · Aug 202019

If you take care of your thingsthey will also take care of you.

I service Apple devices (iOSMacs) and Asus/HP/Toshiba at workas much as I hate to admit... Apple's products are very well engineeredfrom the connectors and component placementthey are ahead of the time compare to others. Because of thatApple also trapped themselves when they designed a new product that cannot withstand the test of time (butterfly keysLCD cables in particularUSB-C). 90% of the repair work I performed are human error on Apple products10% are design defects and actual failure. Majority of the work I am doing are the service bulletin related work like batterydisplay de-laminationbutterfly keys.

Reliability on Apple is still greatbut not as great since they decided to integrate everything onto the logic board. For examplemy wifi card died on my Macbook Pro and I have to swap out the whole logic board that also to have the SSD there. Suddenly a small job becomes a transplanting surgery.

What I want to say islatest and greatest definitely is a risk... but even old and reliable tech could have issuelike my 6MThas synchomesh problem. I guess you can say it's chance but I prefer to reduce my chances to as minimal as possible on the long run.

On a side noteI still use my T520 at home because that thing is ultra durable and cheap to run. My Macbook Pro is nice and fastbut it's still not something I trust because I could potentially lose my data if ANYTHING goes wrongplus the bag of dongles I carry with me...

pUl| · Dec 42022

I know this is an old postbut wanted to give me 2 cents when it comes to reliability. In the context of Appleyou're right on the money. Howeverthey have also demonstrated how evil a corporation can become. Case in pointI have a 11 year old ipad mini with unbelievable battery life in 2022. We used it as a daily driver. It is very much capable of doing more. HoweverApple cut off support for it and even the browsers/zoom etc. are now out of date that they won't display web pages as well anymoreor join video conference calls. I paid good $$$ for it. Some would say I got my money's worth. On the other hand I feel bad that I will have to dispose of a fully functioning piece of equipment that could still be very useful for years to come. They made it so that we can't even install alternate OS/firmware like Linux on any Apple devices. They've lost me as a customer. Not that it matters to themyet.

On the subject of carsToyota layers risk every time a new product comes out. Here's an example. The shift from 4AT to CVT was done in phases. After first introduction in 2000and after 10 years of continuous improvementthe improved versions based on the original K110 CVT were tested out in other world markets with similar powertrains as early as 2010 itself (if I remember correctly this was on the 2010 Corolla Altis. Yepas early as 2010 in other markets the Corolla had the CVT). Then it was slowly introduced into different trims in 1 product line in the most profitable market (recall how in NAthe 2014 L trim was still 4AT). Then it was improved with the launch gear starting in 2019and so on. This helps it often identify problems earlyand fix issues within the same gen. The emphasis is first on functionthen on form. Unfortunatelythis does turn off many customersas many want (form + function) instantly today (more on this below).

Apple tries to focus on both at the same time. Very challengingand very rewarding if you get it right (you can already see how hard it is to do both --> Where is that Apple car?). The "function" part gets Apple customers who care about "It should just workand keep doing so". The form part independently also gets it the customers that often lack self esteem and feel the need to attach themselves to a brand to elevate their self in the perception of others in their circle. This is how they're so successful with the electronics because they got both form and function together.

Raithskar · Aug 262019

Pcmaker said:
I'm looking to purchase a Toyota in the futurebut I want an automatic transmission that's not a CVT.

Alsosomething that has a timing chainnot timing belt.

What year is the last Corolla that has a regular automatic transmission and a timing chain?

The now-discontinued 1NZ-FE engine 2018 Yaris SE hatchback was the last Toyota in the U.S. to have a regular automatic. That car was bulletproof reliable due to the older tech it usedbut auto reviewers raked it over the coals for years & years because it didn't have 'the latest tech'. The new 2020 Yaris hatch will have a regular 6-spd automatic - but in the U.S. the car will now just be a rebadged 2015+ gen Mazda2 hatchback with some front bumper/grill/headlight cosmetic changes - so you are basically buying a Mazda & getting whatever quality Mazda puts into their cars.

bfaling · Oct 162019

Pcmaker said:
I'm looking to purchase a Toyota in the futurebut I want an automatic transmission that's not a CVT.

Alsosomething that has a timing chainnot timing belt.

What year is the last Corolla that has a regular automatic transmission and a timing chain?

All hybrid models do not have a CVT as suchbut rather a power split device. This is a proven drivetrain and is tremendously reliable. Camrys and Avalons have traditional automatics and the Corolla SE 6M has a six-speed manual transmission.

1087290 · Oct 162019

You can make a statement to manufacturers by simply not buying their newless reliable technologyIf enough people follow that philosophy then the manufacturers must change their "trajectory" as far as adding complexity. Myselfat age 68with a father who just stopped driving at 98I think I.m through with new cars. We talk about reliability as if the past determines the future. How many companies have ridden their reputations into the ground with disastrous consequences?

My personal opinion is if you're buying a carseriously consider an older modelwith an established reliability record. Among those choices Toyota has a large selection. I drive a 2000 Echo that is as reliable as anything made sinceeven though it is old. My total cost of ownership is less than $100 a month for 1500 miles a month. That includes gasinsurancetags and registration and state inspectionsfor less than $1200 a year. Compare that to your current costs. I even considered an electric carbut when the insurance and taxes were checked they were multiple times higher than my current vehiclewhich completely destroys the calculations.

My car has no timing belt or CVTno power steeringfew if any vacuum servos or other servos that can fail and require a dash removal. It's a great example of new techcoil over ignitionfuel injectionone fan beltmanual steering and windowssuper simplesuper reliable.

Manufacturers love to load up vehicles with optionswhich are marked up at 100%. A good example is 4 wheel drive in a Nissan. It's a $1600 option the last time I checkedIf you priced the parts individually the cost would be probably close to the value of the whole vehicle.

Check consumer reports frequency of repair records on the cars you are considering. Make a truly educated decisionthen look for a car like my wife's. One owner always garage keptdealership maintenance recordsdriven by a very conservative driver who has never had a road rage incident.

It's like watching a moviego spend $20 a person for a new release or wait a year and see it at home on TV for freeenjoy a cocktail if that is your thing and relax in your comfortable clothes in you favorite chairfor practically nothing. You can even invite your friends and socialize.

$45,000 for a new truckthat is going to haul some stuffride in the dirtbut not be your principle form of transportation. Why not just let someone else EAT that depreciation and watch the reliability reports for a few years while the new cars lose 50% of their value and buy 3 years later for half price.

I worked on cars my whole lifeso that perspective is the basis of this post. Make a decision that allows you to enjoy a fairly new vehiclewhile the original owner rented the depreciation for over $1k a monthin many situations.

jiantao · Oct 162019

I also strongly dislike the sealed transmissions on all the newer Toyotas. I might have to switch to Honda for my next carat least they have serviceable transmissions. But most likely I'll buy an older pre-2010ish Toyota without the sealed transmission.

jolly · Oct 162019

jiantao said:
I also strongly dislike the sealed transmissions on all the newer Toyotas. I might have to switch to Honda for my next carat least they have serviceable transmissions.

Hurry up because I'm not sure many Honda or any other manufacturer still use dipstick. Technicallyno transmission is "sealed": they all have a drain plug and a fill plug. There are many theories surrounding the disappearance of dipstick in transmissionfrom manufacturers wanting to save on assembly to wanting to sell replacement transmission... but the truth is that there is an engineering advantage in preventing air and contaminants contact with fluid. Plus newer transmissionAT or CVTrequiring precise parameters to operatetheir fluid maintenance are no longer like oil in engine. Still serviceablejust in a different way.

ukrkoz said:
It has nothing in common with CVT CVT

Actuallythe term "cvt" (continiously variable transmission) is a generic one. The difference is whether a CVT achieves its continuously variable thing via push-beltpull-chain or planetary set.

jiantao · Oct 212019

Sounds about right. Cost to change CVT fluid at a dealer on CorollaSubaruor Nissan are all over $200 USD. The fluid itself is expensive along with the labor. On some older Nissans (2008-2013 Rogue or 2007-2012 Altima/Sentra) you could change the fluid yourselfsince there was a dipstickbut I think they've since sealed it off and the fluid needs to be pumped in from the bottom.

pujuma · Oct 222019

so eCVT: is the system also sealed and fluid pumped in from the bottom ?

jiantao · Oct 222019

I think it is. Someone else can chime in on this. I think the e-CVT is easier though because it doesn't need to be at operating temperature(?)... don't quote me on that...

killer23d · Oct 232019

According to Scotty KilmerCVT is cheaper to make and is easier to achieve good gas mileage. He also made fun of "lifetime fluid" is for the "lifetime" of the warranty or lease. To meit makes total sense... many people get new cars every 5-7 years and the car manufactuers want you to get another car around that time.

SuperchargedMR2 · Oct 242019

Exactlyif you want your car to lastchange the fluids more often than recommended. It won't hurt anything and is the cheapest of insurance to a healthy car.

Chicagoland · Oct 242019

Nissan's Jatco built CVT's are the "notorious" ones.

TTran · May 192020

I had the Nissan X-Trailthe CVT transmission was replaced 3 times within 3 years of my ownership. I got rid of it a few weeks before the warranty expired.
Because of the bad experience with Nissan CVT transmission so tried to avoid car with CVT. Before I bought my 2019 Corolla with a CVT I was looking for a 1.8 AT 2013-2014 modelbut couldn't find one with low km so I had to bite the bullet and I bought my 2019 with the CVT with the assurance of Toyota reliability and 5 years unlimited km warranty. A manual Corolla would be my perfect choice but sadly for me the wife can't drive a manual car. But I believe if the car is well looked after then it will have less problems during the ownership unless it's the manufactures' design flaw then it's bad luck.

Heisenberg · May 172020

Pcmaker said:
I'm looking to purchase a Toyota in the futurebut I want an automatic transmission that's not a CVT.

Alsosomething that has a timing chainnot timing belt.

What year is the last Corolla that has a regular automatic transmission and a timing chain?

I know this is an old thread but maybe it willl help someone else if opnis gone. I recommend in his case the Camry with the 6 speed auto. The 2.3 is surprisingly bquickdon't bother going for the six cyl. They went to an 8 speed in 2018 that was a disaster for a lot of people like Jeep's 9 speed. Until more time passes personally I would only consider a cvt in a Honda. Also avoid direct injection like the plague. That's also being phased in.

SuperchargedMR2 · May 192020

The 8AT in the new Camry needed a flash to change a few things to make it more drivable but the transmission has been fine since the re-flash.

jiantao · May 192020

There have been complaints about the driveability of the 8AT on the Camrybut I haven't heard of any outright failingso I wouldn't consider it a reliability problem like the dreadful Nissan CVTs.

When the 2014 Corolla first came out I too was skeptical about its long term reliability. Howeverit's been almost 7 years and I have been pleasantly surprised. Nissan's CVT still gives me pausebut Honda and Subaru both seem to have very few reported problems (Subaru more than Honda). The Corolla's CVT seems to be the best of them allthoughand I really haven't heard of anyone having issues with it. I would plan on changing the CVT fluid every 60K or so and at this point wouldn't be concerned about owning one.

SuperchargedMR2 · May 202020

The drivability issues seem to have been worked out from owners on the forums. The best CVT's are in the hybrid vehicles since they are a planetary gear design and they are bullet proof. So if you get a Prius Corolla hybridRAV4 hybridCamry hybrid or Avalon hybrid you are in business.

Toyotas that do not have CVT transmission...

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