Should Banksy Remain Anonymous? (reuters.com) 62
He's "the most famous anonymous man in the world," suggests Reuters. But investigating Banksy's artworks in a bombed Ukrainian village (and other clues in the U.K. and Manhattan) have led them to "a hand-written confession by the artist to a long-ago misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct — a document that revealedbeyond disputeBanksy's true identity."
But Banksy's long-time lawyer "urged us not to publish this reportsaying doing so would violate the artist's privacyinterfere with his art and put him in danger" and "would harm the publictoo." Working "anonymously or under a pseudonym serves vital societal interests," he wrote. "It protects freedom of expression by allowing creators to speak truth to power without fear of retaliationcensorship or persecution — particularly when addressing sensitive issues such as politicsreligion or social justice."
Reuters took into account Banksy's privacy claims — and the fact that many of his fans wish for him to remain anonymous. Yet we concluded that the public has a deep interest in understanding the identity and career of a figure with his profound and enduring influence on culturethe art industry and international political discourse... As for the risk he might face of retaliation or censorshipBritain's legal and political establishments seem comfortable with Banksy's messages and how he delivers them...
His mastery of disguise began as a way of shaking the policesays former manager [Steve] Lazarides. In an interviewLazarides said anonymity served a practical purpose in Bristolwhere authorities enforced "draconian" policies against graffiti... Eventuallykeeping the secret became a burden. By the end of their partnershipLazarides estimates he spent half or more of his time managing and maintaining the artist's mystique. "I think it became a good gagand thenif you want my honesthonest opinionI think it then became a disease," he said.
Lazarides wrote a two-volume book about managing Banksy from the late 1990s to 2008including a story about Banksy's arrest in 2000 for this defacing of a billboard. Reuters geolocated that buildingthen found police documents and a court file including the hand-written confession. This investigation spawned a 7,000-word article with everything from a comic strip Banksy drew when he was 11 to his connections with Robert Del Naja of the trip hop band Massive Attack — and a 2017 podcast interview where a music producer apparently revealed Banksy's real first name.
But the article also reveals how protective the art community is of Banksy's secret. Reuters investigated that Banksy auctioned in 2018 for $1.4 million — and then immediately started shredding itself with a device Banksy embedded in its frame: That piecerenamed "Love is in the Bin," sold three years later for about $25 million. Art dealer [Robert] Casterline was at the auction and remembers when the shredder began to beep. He pulled out his phone to take pictures. "Unfortunatelythere was one person standing in front of me," blocking the viewhe said. It was an eccentric-looking man with a broad neck scarf and thick eyewear. Oddlythe man wasn't watching the painting get shredded. He was looking in the other directionobserving the crowd's reaction. Only laterreviewing what he shotdid Casterline notice that the man's glasses appeared to have a small camera built into the bridge. (Banksy later posted a video of the stuntincluding shots of the astonished audience.)
Having seen a photo of the man suspected of being BanksyCasterline confirmed to Reuters that he was "pretty sure" it was the same man.
But "I don't want to be the guy who exposes Banksy."
But Banksy's long-time lawyer "urged us not to publish this reportsaying doing so would violate the artist's privacyinterfere with his art and put him in danger" and "would harm the publictoo." Working "anonymously or under a pseudonym serves vital societal interests," he wrote. "It protects freedom of expression by allowing creators to speak truth to power without fear of retaliationcensorship or persecution — particularly when addressing sensitive issues such as politicsreligion or social justice."
Reuters took into account Banksy's privacy claims — and the fact that many of his fans wish for him to remain anonymous. Yet we concluded that the public has a deep interest in understanding the identity and career of a figure with his profound and enduring influence on culturethe art industry and international political discourse... As for the risk he might face of retaliation or censorshipBritain's legal and political establishments seem comfortable with Banksy's messages and how he delivers them...
His mastery of disguise began as a way of shaking the policesays former manager [Steve] Lazarides. In an interviewLazarides said anonymity served a practical purpose in Bristolwhere authorities enforced "draconian" policies against graffiti... Eventuallykeeping the secret became a burden. By the end of their partnershipLazarides estimates he spent half or more of his time managing and maintaining the artist's mystique. "I think it became a good gagand thenif you want my honesthonest opinionI think it then became a disease," he said.
Lazarides wrote a two-volume book about managing Banksy from the late 1990s to 2008including a story about Banksy's arrest in 2000 for this defacing of a billboard. Reuters geolocated that buildingthen found police documents and a court file including the hand-written confession. This investigation spawned a 7,000-word article with everything from a comic strip Banksy drew when he was 11 to his connections with Robert Del Naja of the trip hop band Massive Attack — and a 2017 podcast interview where a music producer apparently revealed Banksy's real first name.
But the article also reveals how protective the art community is of Banksy's secret. Reuters investigated that Banksy auctioned in 2018 for $1.4 million — and then immediately started shredding itself with a device Banksy embedded in its frame: That piecerenamed "Love is in the Bin," sold three years later for about $25 million. Art dealer [Robert] Casterline was at the auction and remembers when the shredder began to beep. He pulled out his phone to take pictures. "Unfortunatelythere was one person standing in front of me," blocking the viewhe said. It was an eccentric-looking man with a broad neck scarf and thick eyewear. Oddlythe man wasn't watching the painting get shredded. He was looking in the other directionobserving the crowd's reaction. Only laterreviewing what he shotdid Casterline notice that the man's glasses appeared to have a small camera built into the bridge. (Banksy later posted a video of the stuntincluding shots of the astonished audience.)
Having seen a photo of the man suspected of being BanksyCasterline confirmed to Reuters that he was "pretty sure" it was the same man.
But "I don't want to be the guy who exposes Banksy."
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Should Banksy Remain Anonymous?
Yes (Score:5Insightful)
Why care about the person behind the Banksy signature?
The art is the important part here.
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The art is what should stand out in people's mindsnot that he's a pimply-faced overweight 20-year-old school-dropout from some tiny town that nobody has ever heard of... once people know thatthe paintings lose all meaning.
Would any of Van Gogh's works be as important if everyone knew he did something like eat a pound of cocoa leaves or drink a pint of absinthe to get high or drunk every time he went to paint anything?
What if it turned out Mozart beat the women in his life? Would that reduce his genius?
Re: Yes (Score:2)
To answer your question we do have use cases such as that cinematographer whose pregnant wife was brutally murdered in LA. He later raped an underaged girl during an audition and ran away to Europe where he continued to have a somewhat successful career.
Some folks do not care about the bad parts.
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Who's "Rob"?
Is that 'Banksy's real name?
If notthen why are you promoting it as if it is? In this day and ageyou can post betterand post links to better researched articles.
You have skeletons in your closeteveryone does (you never did one single thing you wish you didn't do?)... should we start guessing at yours? Don't worry... I know you'll vote me as 'Troll' and say 'I'm an idiot' and such... go aheadI don't give a shit.
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Who's "Rob"? Is that 'Banksy's real name? If notthen why are you promoting it as if it is?
Why are you asking this on a comment thread about an article that discloses Banksy's real name?
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If you don't carewhy are you jamming your hands in here?
Whyexactly... someone jumped up and slapped "Rob" in there.
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by NoorElahi1776 ( 10138383 ) Alter Relationship on Sunday March 152026 @12:22PM (#66042698)
If Rob has any skeletons in his closetI will enjoy laughing at them. Also his artwork isn't greatit's just popular."
That's where 'Rob' came from.
I don't care who Banksy themselves (or is themself or themselve betterwhen referring to a single person) is..
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Yesthat is bad... anyone who isn't on boardI'd suggest a mental eval (minimum). Raping children (proved) is truly wrong... labelling someone without proof is just as wrong.
Butis that Banksy? From your postit's not (who really knows).
AndI hope Banksy's true ID stays a mystery... that makes the whole package more interestingand the art more interesting... if we didn't know Mona Lisa was painted by Da Vinciwould it be worth more or less?
Re: Yes (Score:2)
I was talking about Polanski: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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You didn't make that obvious or mention a nameor anything.
If you'd said a nameI'd have known.
Re: Yes (Score:2)
He gave enough fucking clues. Clearly you're not only pig ignorant basement dweller but you're unable to use google either.
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If you're saying/talking about Roman Polanski... whatexactly(pray tell) is the reason they (being politically correct these days) can't just say the name?
Trying to hide ityou could be referring to anyone (likemy post below)
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AndI know about that whole thing.
Butwithout a name (in your post)you could be talking about anyone (the "cinematographer with the pregnant wife" bit should've caught my attention (didn't sleep good last night with my sleeping pills... it happens sometimes)but there's no reason to try to hide that (as far as art goes).
At the same time(only seen a couple of his moviesso far)Polanski is a really good director (at some pointI want to sit down and give his catalogue a good watch with a critical e
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Wellobviously (to afford the travel part).
AlthoughI doubt the lawyer part (they don't have a lawyer enabling this)
The whole 'Banksy' persona is an escape for 'them'not really a clue about a past from the art aspectprobably a loner who watches a lot of BBC (not CNN or something... the material is too varied)... possiblysome abuse in past.
The fact that 'they' channeled that stuff into art instead of a shooting or something is so cool!
Re: Yes (Score:2)
But should you go to jail for public commentary?
I think not. Off the work truly damaged the function of a building or spacethen go ahead and charge the person.
If it is fostering discussion of important issuesI think we can tolerate some spray paint on a wall.
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What kind of dystopic hellhole do you live inthat sends people to jail for graffiti?
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This guy makes highly publicwidely reportedand politically charged visuals as his art form. That’s coolit is valid and meaningful artmaybe especially if you don’t agree with it. But there is a person behind what is b
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I see that Banksy makes art that makes people think.
For all that matters he could be a crow.
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One person's crow is another's nightingale.
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I meanseriously.
1) I couldn't care less who the "real" person is. I enjoy what I've seen of his artthat's all that matters. Franklymost of the timeI couldn't care less about the "real" person behind any celebrity persona - athletesmovie starsetc.
2) This puff piece serves mainly to make its author feel important.
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Someone who makes art that sells for $10s of millions isn't "counter culture". They are literally just plain "culture".
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You could argue that it is a free speech concernwhich has always been a common topic on /..
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What does banksy have to do with /.?
Define nerd? Banksy is one of the kings of mystique to art nerds everywhere. This isn't Slashdot"News for IT professionals and with career relevant stories onlystuff that is from the AI industry"
This story is a fuckton more interesting than most of the other shit on here as of late.
Re:news for turds (Score:4Insightful)
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They're talking about whether to dox him or not.
This is a spoiler alert I don't want or need (Score:1)
Re:This is a spoiler alert I don't want or need (Score:4Insightful)
The fact that the artist is unknown and that the art pops up in the secret anywhere without warning is in an of itself an inseparable part of the art form. I think a significant portion of the meaning would be lost if we knew who the guy (or girl) and they worked in the open. Every idiot can draw street art. The messages in Banksy's art are somewhat inseparable from the anonymous nature of the work.
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And his art is little more than college grade stencils making juvenile political points. If he hadnt sprayed it over walls no one would have looked at it twice.
its fun to have mysteries in life (Score:3)
theres almost certainly no loch ness monsterat least let us keep banksy
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Wellif you want "mystery"Epstein is as good as it gets. Too bad Reuters isn't interested in those identities... not while the "mystery" has such great ratings anyway.
There’s no right to privacy (Score:4Insightful)
There used to be all sorts of social-contracts and polite agreements that governed a lot of stuff like this. Those are basically all broken. We live in a much coarser world now. Forget doxxing. If you’re even a tiny bit controversialyou gotta accept that there are at least 6 AI-driven internet bots out there trying to get you physically swattedand they never sleep and never stop.
“Politely asking for your privacy to be respected”. That’s hilarious. Maybe 75 years ago.
He isn't though (Score:1)
Re:He isn't though (Score:4Informative)
Congrats you couldn't even get the guy's name right after looking it up. You managed to conflate two presumed identities. Robin Gunningham and Robert Del Naja. And yes he was anonymous. Up until now there were nothing more than educated guesses on the name. The two above (which againeven you just fucked upcongrats) were along side another who was also widely presumed to be Banksy.
Re: He isn't though (Score:2)
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His name is Robert Gunningham.
That would be his birth name. He has apparently legally changed his name to David Jones (and as that is a very common name in the UK that provides additional anonymity).
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Robin Gunningham (Score:1)
Satoshi Nakamoto is probably more famous (Score:2)
BBC program "The Outlaws" (Score:2)
In the final episode of the first seasonChristopher Walken paints over a real Banksy. The producers had got Banksy to create a piece of graffitiwhich was destroyed as a minor part of the story line.
Britain's establishment... (Score:4Interesting)
...is largely irrelevant to the question (he has worked in war zones and those tend to beummmless respectfulshall we say....) and is prone to change its mind at the drop of a hat. There's sectors in the British political scene who have no problem with promoting acts of terror and murder against those they don't like and it's kinda unlikely that they'll hold a referendum on whether to murder a street artist if he posts something they find offensive.
(Depending on which part of the political scene you find yourself allied withyou'll doubtless point to other sectorsbut it seems very very unlikely that anyone would subscribe to the notion that there aren't influential psychopaths in Britaineven if there's no agreement on who those are.)
Britain DOES enshrine a right to privacyas Rupert Murdoch keeps discoveringand much of Europe mostly enshrines the same ideas (occasionally even more strongly). As for "public interest"I would LOVE to hear an explanation of precisely what public interest this serves. Nothe public being interested is not the same thing.
A method to test if Robert Del Naja is Banksy (Score:2)
FirstI skimmed the long article. Sowhat I'm proposing may be in the article.
If you haven't read the articleit proposes that Del Naja is Banksy. If you don't knowDel Naja is a member of the band Massive Attack. If you also don't knowMassive Attack is a popular and successful rock band. This means that the band tours around the world. Sohere's my proposed test:
1stget all the dates that Banksy put up graffiti and where he did so. For instanceLondon3/11/24 -- I just made this date up. Nextha
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If you couldquote the passage from the article where you found it. Alsobecause there are no page numberspoint out where in the article you found it approximately.
Here's why I think it's Del Naja. This is a quote from the article:
"Horenka resident Tetiana Reznychenko told us she made coffee for the two men who did the bathtub mural and saw the two painters without their masks. As we swiped through the lineup on a cellphoneReznychenko shook her head no. Thenwhen shown one of the photosher eyes wid
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We may both be right. It could be both Gunnigam and Del Naja. Another quote from the article:
"On October 282022the day Duley and Del Naja entered Ukrainea “David Jones” also crossed the border at the same locationaccording to a source familiar with immigration procedures. The source also told us the date of birth listed on Jones’ passport. It was the same as Robin Gunningham’s birthday."
Re: A method to test if Robert Del Naja is Banksy (Score:2)
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Want an even better plan? Read the fucking article!
What if Bansky submitted this post (Score:1)
You've done it again Bangsy.
And ... (Score:2)
the public has a deep interest in understanding the identity and career of a figure with his profound and enduring influence on culture
Only absolute NPCs would want his identity (Score:2)
People that can't see the value in his art and think that the system should prevail no matter what.
Banksy (Score:2)
> Lazarides said anonymity served a practical purpose in Bristolwhere authorities enforced "draconian" policies against graffiti.
Yeahfuck my right not to have people paint things on my building because they think they should have a right to it.
I don't care how good it ishow acclaimed it isif Banksy's painting without the property owner's permissionit's not an act of rebellion or whateverit's graffiti.
I was hoping his real name would be... (Score:2)
Dread Pirate Roberts
Banksy isn't anonymous (Score:1)
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